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What do we do now?
A leading Conservative politician in Britain and former shadow home secretary has broken ranks with the political and media establishment to launch a campaign linking government plans to extend the time suspects can be held without charge to a wider erosion of rights and liberties. In a sweeping essay, openDemocracy's founder (and OurKingdom editor) Anthony Barnett assesses what is at stake and sees this moment as a historic test of democratic commitment for liberals and radicals. Across the network of paid commentators and politicians it was immediately agreed that the action of David Davis was a pointless, selfish, celebrity-seeking gesture. This, indeed, is what they want it to be, as his initiative threatens their monopoly over defining what is important. Whatever brought him personally to his moment of defiance the decision David Davis has taken is profoundly radical: what he was saying from the steps of the House of Commons is that parliament won't defend us because it is corrupted and suborned. It is. The whole of our political class tell us it isn't. They would, wouldn't they. When he became prime minister on 27 June 2007, Gordon Brown knew there was a problem. He pledged that he would restore trust in parliament. He had done his reading, he seemed to have grasped the depth of people's disenchantment and its constitutional consequences. As a result I had some hope that he would indeed start a reform process that would release public energy and begin to revive British democracy. Instead, he has made it much worse. It is not just the stench of a deal with the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) to get through 42 days. "Is it right", Diane Abbott MP asked in a strong speech during the debate on 11 June,
Anthony Barnett is founder of openDemocracy and the author of many articles on the site, including a weekly "editor's note" in 2002-04 The OurKingdom section of openDemocracy tracks and participates in the debate about the future of England, Britain, civil liberty, constitutional change, party funding, electoral reform, social movements and the state - indeed all aspects of the way the United Kingdom is governedDavid Davis's views on the death penalty and low taxes are hardly appealing to progressives, liberals or the left; a Yorkshire constituency where Labour is third is not best situated for a showdown on the nature of the British state; coming at the summer solstice when parliament will soon take a holiday this is an awkward moment. But even if you think it has been done by the wrong man, in the wrong place, at the wrong time, you have to decide: is this in any important way your banner too, that he has raised. I have been surprised at the degree of jealously and small-mindedness towards his action on the left, though mainly from those in political parties. This is one of those potentially shaping moments, which never come at your own choosing, where you need to think in a generous, strategic way. In some of the discussion threads people are saying progressives cannot "allow" David Davis to walk away with the flag of liberty or the ‘issue". But who dropped the flag in the first place? The man matters, but the cause and the potential of the moment matter much more. Here one feels the decomposition of Labour as an influential movement. Individual MPs stood firm but there was no sense of Labour being divided in a way that had wider consequence. The overwhelming majority of its ordinary membership surely oppose the measure. But they continue to leave the party quietly and privately. The underlying cataract of their disaffection is one of the forces that is driving, literally, Labour into bankruptcy. On the issue itself MPs did not feel threatened electorally by, for example,the prospect of Labour being seen as "split" over 42 days. Thus many MPs who opposed it privately, voted for it. And it was carried. It was this, the failure of the left, that put Davis into the position where he had to make his call. It was one of those moments when someone with influence had to make a stand. In British politics they almost never do. This time Davis did. Surprises like this mix up bedfellows (his campaign was opened by Tony Benn) which makes it all the more necessary to set out clear aims: what are the outcomes we want? There seem to me to be three, achieving the first two depends on the third: 1. To stop 42 days detention without charge from becoming law 2. To reverse the creation of "the database state" 3. To ensure constitutional issues matter in the public mind and become part of popular politics I will address them in reverse order. To make constitutional issues popular When the speaker of the Commons refused to allow David Davis to give his resignation speech to the House he was obliged to walk out of the palace of Westminster to deliver it in the open air. The symbolism was perfect. If you haven't, do watch it. Davis kicked down the door, walked out the bubble and announced the end of parliamentary government as we have known it:
The groan of incredulity that swept political professionals, MPs and reporters alike was a cry of genuine pain, expressed as a condemnation of his vanity, as if they were selfless moderates all. Peter Wilby crafted an excellent summary,
Perhaps the BBC was the worst. Committed to public-service broadcasting, its remit includes education as well as the obligation to inform and entertain. But had it educated the public about the fact that half those arrested under anti-terrorism laws are innocent? Davis was in effect challenging the failure of the media as well as parliament. This goes deep because the inherited system of British government is designed to keep the unwashed at a safe distance. Today a democracy in name, it is an anti-democracy in spirit and always has been. It is quite untrue that parliament has until now "fiercely defended the fundamental freedoms of our citizens", as Davis claims. One example of many can suffice. Under Margaret Thatcher it voted for the poll tax to be introduced from 1989. The tax was not simply unfair, it was in part designed to drive poorer voters off the electoral register. Indeed, the Telegraph reported that Thatcher, by then defenestrated, ruefully commented when the Tories won the 1992 election, "the poll tax worked after all". Of course it was said at the time that in a free vote neither the Commons would not have endorsed the poll tax - which shows that the spineless subordination of MPs to the executive is of long standing. Time after time, parliament has indulged in such shameful episodes. This is why the not-so surreptitious erosion of liberty has been taking place for more than a decade. What was different this time was not the "bazaar" or even that a fundamental principle was at stake, but that - finally! - a leading front-bencher said "Basta!" No matter if he used the myth of parliament's noble role to legitimate his breach with its routines. What does matter is that a leading politician has defied the political class and taken two defining constitutional issues to voters: the "slow strangulation of our liberties" and the fact that parliament permits this. If Davis wins the by-election will the Commons welcome him into its midst as the tribune of the people? You can bet your life it will not. The lunatic asylum will stereotype him as "mad". In the bars and tea-rooms of Westminster the old corruption is already preparing its revenge on David Davis. When he rises to speak of liberty they will shout "boring" or "there he goes again". When he poses the issues of the database state he will be greeted by groans from the payroll claque and jokes like "put him on CCTV". The chamber will drown him out with what it believes to be the laughter of sound judgment. Or its members will crawl away with only the slightest touch of inner shame, leaving him to address empty green leather benches. Their aim already is castrate any influence he might exercise. Davis has already been assured of celebrity. The aim now is to turn this into the celebrity of a clown. The method of the machine will be to keep what Davis is doing merely personal and try to ensure that there is no message other than the messenger. Against this background democrats need to develop and reinforce the central claims that Davis is making: that voters don't want to be governed by a state which holds the innocent without charge, conducts blanket surveillance; corrupts personal information; and hires corporations to build a unified high-tech state that manages the identity of every citizen. This isn't about David Davis, it is about us. How to reverse the database state David Davis is right to link the issue of 42 days with the rise of a surveillance state, voracious in its sweeping capture of information, careless of protecting it and permissive in the abuse of stored material. Voters want CCTV to protect them from crime, say the government; but what about the growing black market in intrusive video? asks the man who knows, because he was briefed as shadow home secretary. ID cards protect us from identity theft, claim the government; but the National Identity Register will be a honeypot for crimes as well as the secret exchange of private information without the individual knowing, responds Davis. Trust the British state, say New Labour; you can't be serious, he replies. But what is "the database state" that Davis referred to in his resignation speech? Here is another failure to educate that should make public service broadcasters blush. I am torn between three impulses: to study carefully all the material that is available and interview those responsible to work out what it means and distinguish what could indeed be efficient service from intrusive controls; to laugh off the whole experiment as expensive "bollocks" that provides a vast cash-machine for contracts that can't possibly deliver what they promise; to flee the country for fear of being enslaved, synapse by synapse, into an electronic bondage. The transformation of government presents itself as a method of improving services for the citizen (see David Varney, Service transformation, published by the Treasury in December 2006). Its strategic aim is the coordination of all government departments, who are instructed to create and exploit their "insight" as a "strategic asset". Varney followed Brown to Number 10, which published the Service Transformation Agreement in October 2007. In this, for example, the inland revenue is committed to "participating in the development of a cross-government identity management strategy via membership of the Home Office led Identity Management Strategy Group... to inform development of proposals for a one-stop-shop for employers..." (Section A.218). Jill Kirby in her Centre for Policy Studies (CPS) pamphlet Who do they think we are? identifies the stifling combination of statism and consumerism that is leading the government to seek to gather, in its own words, the
I don't know what bells this rings with you, but we are now witnessing the full development of what was identified in 1999 as New Labour's corporate populism, including the false chattiness of corporate employee communications. An important element of what is going on here is that from the Bank of England to Scotland, Labour's early constitutional reforms initiated an unprecedented degree of devolution. Arguably, this broke the "unitary state" that was essential to the functioning of what is known as "parliamentary sovereignty". Brown especially was aware of the threat. The programme of "transformational government" is in part designed to reforge the centre's grip with the aim of modernising the British regime as a uniform information state. I have emphasised that by his walkout Davis is attempting to take two issues to the public: first, he claims that a dangerous process of authoritarianism is at large; second, that parliament is incapable of defending voters from this. Both parts of his challenge are equally important and both are constitutional in the good public sense that Americans and continental Europeans are familiar with (rather than just the anglo-legal, specialist sense). The transformation of government is a test of his two-edged argument. Is he being paranoid about the incursions into our liberty and about parliament's inability to prevent this? Billions of pounds are being spent transforming the UK government. Strategic policies and formal cross-department agreements have been set out and published. Recently the government claimed that its current Constitutional Renewal Bill is "seminal legislation, reshaping the relationship between government, Parliament, the courts and the people". But the "transformational government" programme does this far more extensively, and in more profound and untested ways. Yet it has never been debated in the House of Commons. It has never been subject to a select-committee inquiry. The British state is being reshaped in its entirety in private by the executive. I am not saying it is being done in secret. We can know it is happening. But that is the limit of our involvement or parliament's. The government is using its prerogative powers to put through sweeping administrative changes that reshapes the relationship of the citizen, business and the state, without so much as a legislative by your leave. The most sustained and effective critique of this process has been Henry Porter's series of columns in the Observer when it was edited by Roger Alton. The moral basis of Porter's wonderful campaign has been the loss of historic liberties. A lot of big themes need to be unravelled here. We can't return to 17th-century notions of liberty as if these are unchanged by the advent of nuclear, biological and information technologies. Saying "no!" to the database state does not make the existing state work as it needs to, nor provide a secure basis for freedom and equality in an open society. The problem is that while neither parliament nor the media have debated the database state, the essential instrument for its implementation - the ID card - has become a symbol for a classic binary confrontation that could displace attention from the issue that really matters. An ID card that belongs to the citizen like a passport, for him or her to use when necessary, is one thing. What is being created in the UK is not, as the public seems to believe, this kind of ID card, but rather an electronic tag which belongs to the state, and tracks and exchanges a wide range of citizen activity kept in a single National Identity Register that can be accessed without a warrant by a growing range of public and in all likelihood private bodies. What do we do about this? Davis's double wake-up call is justified: the state is seeking to control our freedom in new ways and don't look to MPs and parliament to do anything about this. How to stop 42 days The Counter-Terrorism Bill with its 42 days clause will be debated in the House of Lords in early July and probably voted on in October. If it is passed, it becomes law. If the Lords reject it, it will go back to the Commons a second time in about ten months' time. If it is passed again it then becomes law despite the Lords, thanks to the Parliament Act. Davis explained some of the consequences as he saw them when he made his announcement, noting that there is almost bound to be another terrorist attack that will be exploited to the full. With an election nearing, the Sun clamouring for 42 days and popular opinion being perceived as behind it, the government will say that parliament has spoken. The Conservative opposition, not wanting to be drawn into an unpopular distraction in the run-up to the election it can win would feel obliged to accept this, and would permit 42 days to pass into law. If the Conservatives win the next election, and Davis becomes home secretary, it might be possible for him to reverse 42 days. But what Davis percieves (and I think he is right) is a process, an impetus towards an authoritarian state that is gathering pace. To accept defeat now and wait two years might permit limiting the period of detention without charge. But this is a symbol of a "strangulation" which is far more extensive. Clearly, Davis was not confident that his own leader (who has claimed that he is the "heir to Blair", and whose opposition to an extension of 28 days has always been carefully pragmatic and never based on principle would) should he get to Number 10, would actually let go of the authoritarian powers first Blair and now Brown have accumulated. So Davis felt he had to pull the emergency cord. Over this whole debate in the UK lies the shadow of popular opinion in the age of Rupert Murdoch when government is unprotected by a written constitution. The argument for 42 days is wholly unconvincing. It is motivated for political reasons not those of security. But the politics is grounded on the establishment's belief about public opinion. In prime minister's question-time on 11 June, the day of the vote, Gordon Brown deployed this against the leader of the opposition:
David Cameron retorted:
When Cameron agreed banging up terrorist suspects is popular but the House must do what is right, it expressed the historic view of parliament. Around the world the principles are being developed of what is called "rights-based democracy". This says that democracy is not the tyranny of the majority and such fundamentals such as the rule of law and freedom of speech are essential to it even if a majority might not like them. This principle has long been built into the unwritten, informal checks of the British system which permitted a much vaunted flexibility. In so far as they once worked they are broken. In part thanks to the rise of media power, the traditional confidence of elite rule has gone and a consequence is that parliament is no longer a shield from populism and can become its plaything, a classic example being the Dangerous Dogs Act rushed through in 1991 under tabloid influence. Brown alluded to this state of affairs as a justification for his 42 day proposal:
This observation was allowed to stand by the leader of the opposition. Traditionally, in Britain, what prevented this was that our leaders did not panic whatever the nature of tabloid opinion. Today, this historic safeguard is no more. From his vantage point on the front bench Davis was a close-up witness to the following situation: 1. The leaders of both government and opposition agreed that public opinion would support banging up suspects (many of whom they themselves knew to be innocent) 2. Neither were willing to oppose this in principle as a fundamental breach with the way the country should be governed 3. Both clearly felt the public had no interest in such principles either 4. Both accepted that in a panic (i.e. under tabloid pressure) further emergency legislation could be rushed through. In this situation what was David Davis to do? Obviously he looked to MPs themselves. A majority of them, as he knew, would have voted down 42 days if left to their own judgment. But enough of their votes were suborned to save the government. As he explained in his brief resignation statement, we face the clear prospect of a ratchet effect. Claim after claim will be made to further confine freedom in Britain, and there is no longer any reliable element of protection to defend us. Not even his own party. The ConservativeHome editorial that Gordon Brown quoted from claimed its conclusion had been crucially influenced by an article by Peter Clarke, the former head of Scotland Yard's Counter Terrorism Command. But his Telegraph article was manifestly self-contradictory and even tendentious. It could only have persuaded those who already wanted to be seduced. The real reason for the website editor's conclusion was the one quoted so triumphantly by the prime minister, that: "A clear majority of the British people favour a longer detention period". Put it this way: if the view of the political class had been that the British public opposed 42 days and preferred other measures such as post-charge questioning, the use of intercept evidence and threshold charges, neither the prime minister nor ConservativeHome would have insisted on supporting the measure. While the received wisdom about the nature of public opinion went unchallenged, Tory as well as Labour electoral interests, driven by tabloid influence, would roll over the principles of liberty and the rights of the innocent. David Davis's resignation and the by-election he has forced are designed to change the mind of the British public and win it to the principles of liberty that parliament has disposed of. In the OurKingdom debate Michael Calderbank criticises Davis and says his action threatens "to undermine the coherence of representative democracy itself" because "(whether) the by-election is seen as a narrowly defined plebiscite on the question of 42 days, or on the wider philosophical question of our basic liberties, these are surely issues of concern to the nation as a whole". Precisely! This is why we need to build on the opportunity he has provided, to reverse the fundamental terms of trade on which British politics is still conducted: that the political elite knows best while taken as a whole the populace is a mob. To support and seek to build on Davis's call to arms involves a wager: that the public will respond positively to the concepts of a rights-based democracy. While on an everyday basis Murdoch's shadow darkens public life, there is a light of popular wisdom it shields us from. The majority got Iraq right:
Davis's own view of the war is irrelevant to the extraordinary transformation this confirmed as possible. On a major issue of war and peace our rulers and most newspaper editors were wrong and the voters were right. This is why we should have the confidence to celebrate the fact that a leading politician is taking issues of principle and government to the people, irrespective of his party politics. Especially in Britain (or should I say England, as arguably Alex Salmond has already done this in Scotland). Of course, there are leftwing forms of anti-statism that are better than rightwing forms that leave people more exposed to the market in the name of freedom. But who on the left thinks that they can defend fairness by exercising state power, without this being rooted in democratic legitimacy? The answer, I suppose, is "many members of the Labour Party". If so they are now witnessing the fruits of their folly as the party plunges from office. The opportunity for democrats on the left (and there are many in the Labour Party still) and for liberals and Liberal Democrats is to widen out the public appeal that David Davis has launched. October is enough time to mobilise a broad public claim on their Lordships and Ladyships when they come to vote on 42 days. If they defeat the infamous clause it we want this to be seen as the expression of a public wish, not an elite dispensation. Shaking the bars Now many have tried to shake the bars of parliament. My experience may be relevant. In 1988 at the launch of Charter 88 and its call for a democratic constitution, as thousands started to sign, we were told that issues of principle about how we govern ourselves may be all very well for intellectuals and lawyers but were not a matter of concern to the ordinary man and woman. The "punters", itself a dreadful and demeaning term, will never be interested. A well-known columnist who is now a distinguished expert on British government and public opinion, went out of his way to come up to me and say, "C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la politique". The French made it all the more of a historic put-down. Its origins, the famous remark made by a witness to the charge of the Light Brigade in 1854 when it launched a disastrous frontal attack on the Russian cannon in the Crimean war. Tennyson memorialised the moment:
You get the point. It is heroic, even magnificent to storm the great cannon of British establishment with banners calling for a bill of rights, freedom of information and a written constitution but.... futile. For centuries the bodies of radical heroes were strewn amongst the cannonball and shot, as they died gasping for breath, crying out "Electoral reform!" or "Power to local government!". Few recall their names, none their successes apart from the suffragettes. You do democracy if you want to, was the message. We know better, and we have the cannon. Perhaps I recalled this as I am completing a chapter for a book on twenty years of Charter 88. Was this phrase still relevant, I wondered? Then the Spectator's political editor Fraser Nelson had a blast at David Davis. A protégé of Andrew Neil, Nelson is in danger of fast becoming the latest personification of what Tom Nairn identified as "Scottish butlers", recruited north of the border to serve the union as only outsiders can. First he perfectly reproduced the revulsion of Tory Westminster at Davis's action, then he concluded:
When journalism becomes a cliché machine, thought evaporates in the service of the phrase. At one moment - and this is the very big, perhaps decisive change from twenty years ago - "millions despise the Westminster system". The next moment Davis is a "one-man charge of the Light Brigade". Ironically, Nelson himself has unwittingly signalled what is at stake: the possibility that it could become a million-person charge against the Westminster system. Against the full might of the British empire state at its height, even this would not have been enough. Bot today the heavy cannon of the regime blast mainly hot air, while recording their flatulence on CCTV to try and bolster their self-confidence. Only Murdoch's Sun remains truly dangerous and even that backed off fast from a fight with Davis. A breakthrough to public support for the principles of liberty and democracy is possible. On Liberal Conspiracy a vigorous debate has broken out between those who agree with this and those who don't yet see the wood for the trees. There is a similar debate elsewhere, for example, Paul Kingsnorth in Comment Is Free or Brian Barder. Rachel North, who started her blog after being a victim of the 7/7 bombings, has perhaps put it the most eloquently: "Davis has taken this issue away from the closed Westminster hot-house, with its arcane unspoken rules, and horse-trading, and whipping, and bullying, and nods, winks and tricks and put it right out there. The debate has been ignited in a big way. Now it is up to us to get involved, and to fan the flames, not pour cold water on them. It is time to get out of the closed mindset of party political loyalties and tribalism. It is time to storm into the debating space which has been opened up, before it closes again."
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But is it just the state? This sort of insecurity and intrusion is happenning everywhere due to modern technology. I only learned recently to my horror that if an identity thief got hold of my identity, applied for a huge loan in my name, and the bank gave it to him, that I would be liable! How is that, I ask? Surely the bank is culpable for its own lax security? What have I done wrong? I could lose my house, all my life savings, who would defend me? Politicians don't control anything anymore. Isn't that just the problem? It's not through lack of political will, it's through lack of technical capacity to control modernity. Have we reached the technical limits of democracy? Keith McBurney
Right on as usual, with thundering fusillades on target! And not just millions, but justly millions! Let wisdom hear them speak.
As said, the real 'ism' of the age is 'tribalism' at large. Here, the British State and its parties polity and the unelected officials, public servants and paymasters they are and now have us in hock too. Conservative and Labour alike. This Britishness which is a whipped subservient, mindnumbing state of mind, its citizens bearing passports showing where they do not come from, but chipped in case they remember.
So let us bring it on. It is our time. Time to set aside the together but apart home and away divide and rule that colonised us in Empire. Time to answer Our Questions. Time for our own, open Citizens' Constitutional Conventions in all our nations. Time to be apart, yet together still and sharing the risks and rewards of our choosing. Time for Independence and Union in going back only some 80 years to the future in a reunion of all our peoples be they English, Irish (yes all), Scots, Welsh, Cornish, Manx et al. Time to go back only to 1918 and revisit the Wilsonian ideal which sailed away from our shores as Obama brings it safely to into port there. Time for enlightened, written Constitutions and Bills of Rights to direct our institutional, assured shorthold tenants and inform them of the rules of their engagement.
As time is change, this time is ours to change. And it is our destiny so to do in recognition of our forbears legacy, who lived and died to preserve what we must assure in our democracies quest: that legacy of liberty, equality and humanity they and we fought for and brought to others before ourselves.
Hell is knowing, but not doing. All who would be party to the solution will join in. They might be seen as just another part of the problem if not.
An alliance of the ready, willing and able is all that is needed to begin. That and a certain amount of philanthropic funding. They are gathered in the wings, but need not await a fairer wind.
I have a favoured outcome. It is a no-brainer as you can see. But first and foremost, i favour an open, collaborative, co-operative, consensual, deliberative dialogue in our individual and several self-determinations of our political relationships within and between our nations and communities, both here in our isles and elsewhere abroad where our diasporas and others abide.
And being our individual and several sovereign selves, we do not need nor should wish for the States approval of our actions. But we had better assure delivery to the good folk we will be joining before we begin.
Let it be so.
Sovereignty and Condederacy: the antidotes to Unions' Blues.
Keith
Good to see with enough space, unlike the snippet on CiF. Re: the 'most important' outcome you seek (that is, 'to ensure constitutional issues matter in the public mind and become part of popular politics'), I'd like to be optimistic for the prospects of building a broad coalition of support in different parts of the U.K. (with much needed lessons and help from our true friends beyond the seas). In England, for example, we need large-scale awareness raising include of the historical legacy, among other things; the Chartists and the anti-slavery movement, for example, not as something on a chocolate box or heritage ipod case from the National Trust, but as a hard fought struggle. Going further back, I was struck a few months ago to hear the historian of the 17th century Quentin Skinner say without hesitation that Milton would think we lived as slaves because of the overweening power of the executive. You've been writing a history of Charter 88. How about a new project, Charter 15? The 800th anniversary of an icon might offer a focus point for bringing a home constitutional revolution which people across a broad political spectrum could support. Thanks Keith and Caspar, I hope I can leave 2015 to the next generation! I've printed out the secret history - I agree that we need to include the full history and work through collective economic and social liberties, if I may call them that. Anon on identity theft - I don't thing you will be ruined by identity theft, you don't have to pay back loans you didn't take out and a court won't force you to, to my knowledge. Well, in you will still be younger than Mugabe is today - and even than John McCain, should he become President! I think that makes my point all too well! :-) Anthony, That is a superb post. Do you intend to cross post it onto Liberal Conspiracy? It would be a worthwhile contribution. Can I just say that we need to keep this debate in the media spotlight by whatever means necessary? Rachel North made the point that this Cinderella of political debate had been in the headlines for around eight days. That is more coverage for issues around liberty than we have seen for a decade. I understand that you, Conor, Sunny and some others met up. I'd be quite interested to read what was said and what came out of it. So far, I've only read Sunnys' call to arms, which I agree with, but I'd be just as interested in hearing what you think too. Err, I'm not anonymous at 21:24. I distinctly recall having to identify myself, before being allowed to post. As I happen to be against anonymous posting, I'd be obliged if you could sort this out. Sorry. douglas clark I live in Canada. I'm not up to speed on individual politicians. I read the Guardian, some of the time, and watch the BBC, some of the time; I'd like to imagine I have some idea of what's going on in the U.K. If what you say is true, why have I not heard more? Shouldn't the 'serious' media be talking about this? To my mind Britain hasn't had an exactly glorious past, but it has produced/created/developed a form of government that has attempted to answer the needs of most of its people. And which, I assumed, had within it the wherewithal to adjust and improve. Your piece makes me wonder. Why haven't I heard more on this? Anthony, I'm instinctively liberal and agree about many of the substantive issues here. But for anyone who isn't already completely convinced by your case, the sorts of arguments and this style of making them (much like Henry Porter) is incredibly off-putting. It's always possible to find others to blame - the reason why most people disagree with us about 42 days or any of these other issues is because of the newspapers (most of which opposed 42 days) or the BBC, or those on Liberal Conspiracy who can't see the wood for the trees, or the corrupt political class, or if only people really understood the issues, then they would support us. But shouldn't we at least consider the possibility that the real problem is that our arguments and tactics haven't been good or persuasive enough? On the specific issue of David Davis, the pundits predicted accurately what would happen and the pro-Davis people got it wrong - the election is already a farce and the turnout next week will confirm this. Next up, the plan is to cheer on the House of Lords in voting down the 42 days bill? While lecturing politicians about sticking to their principles rather than just doing what is expedient? Even when not actively inept as in these cases, our arguments often come across as either removed from the reality of most people's lives or openly contemptuous about genuine worries - about crime, terrorism and insecurity. The old organiser's saying 'go with the people, start with what they know, build with what they have' is very relevant here. If you want constitutional issues to matter in the public's mind and become part of popular politics, that's where the work needs to be done. Douglas: very sorry indeed about the anonymous thing it is exasperating but please be patient. We have an older variant of Drupal and Tony efforts are underway to bring the whole site to the latest one which will solve this. Any hands with Drupal experience welcome to let us know. Meanwhile please sign your posts - I'm againsy anonymity too - and many apologies. Patrick-in-Canada and Anonymous (sorry) above this comment. These are related. The Political Class - see esp Peter Oborne's book - seeks to retain a kind of control, a hegemony if you will, of the system and its rewards. It is porous to some extent and flexible (naturally) but it knows what side it's bacon is buttered on, and this is that it knows best how to do things. It therefore seeks to close down this kind of debate in a variety of ways. This is why you have not read about it in Canada. It is also why we can't just start from where people are at. the 'old organisers' works perhaps for trade union style politics and for traditional party politics. But this needs a system change and the politico-media complex close down even the experience of what people's interests are. I am not being paranoid, I'm being descriptive. Thus I am addressing the nature of the wood. And you won't see this by counting trees no matter how many you count. You need a shift of perspective. It is very hard to achieve this in the wider public, I grant you. Nor was this written for them. My aim is to seek to persuade a readership already engaged with these issues to see the potential of the year or so that lies ahead. Putting the argument into an accessible public language will be essential if we are to succeed. So - yes! - of course our arguments have not been persuasive enough. Is this just because they are not good enough? If your BBC interviewer despises what you think and regards it as irrelevant it is very hard indeed, as Davis is finding. But because he sacrificed his career there is enough of a 'story' in media terms to make the issues come alive. And they are now getting an airing, which is why if only via OK, Patrick has now heard the music in Canada. I think this is a brilliant analysis of the problem but the problem is not only in this country but in the US and the European Union - anywhere where a burgeoning bureaucracy managed by a political elite has absolute control and the people can only listen to the cynical lip-service paid to the word "democracy". It has long been obvious that politicians serve their party rather than the people. The maintenance of themselves in power is therefore their primary motive. Some years ago Václav Havel, in his address to Congress said this: "Without a global revolution in the sphere of human consciousness, nothing will change for the better in the sphere of our being as humans, and the catastrophe toward which this world is headed - be it ecological, demographic, or a general breakdown of civilization - will be unavoidable". There is not a single world leader who can offer a different perspective on the challenges which face all of us. Davies might just initiate the emergence of a leader who does not run with the crowd and who can draw attention by his actions to the danger we are in, even if he may not be able to offer the solutions. Anne Baring "This is why we should have the confidence to celebrate the fact that a leading politician is taking issues of principle and government to the people, irrespective of his party politics. "Especially in Britain (or should I say England, as arguably Alex Salmond has already done this in Scotland)." Naturally, I see this caveat - "or should I say England" - as key. You won't see Scottish or Welsh nationalists mounting your barricades, as they're not interested in building open, representative and constitutional British democracy. The way I'm interested in framing the issue is as follows: is the British state and parliament losing its democratic legitimacy as a consequence of measures such as 42 days and identity management; or is its recourse to such measures a consequence of the fact that it is losing its legitimacy? One of the truths that the database society manifests is that government no longer trusts the people; and it no longer trusts the people because it has lost the trust of the people. But it's not just about government but about the state: the British state, in particular. You're right to link the 'transformational government' programme to the break down of the unitary state that the Labour government itself initiated through devolution. The whole British establishment knows that it is engaged in a battle for its very survival and that its legitimacy to represent and speak for the different nations of Britain has been fundamentally and fatally undermined. And this is why, in more than a merely metaphorical or rhetorical sense, every citizen becomes a potential terrorist: someone whom the government suspects of wishing the British state as presently constituted to fall apart - which growing ranks of its citizenry do in fact wish. 42 days and systematic identity management across all government departments are of a piece, in that they are about - as you put it, quoting from 'Who do they think we are?' - discovering the "deep truth about the citizen (or business) based on their behaviour, experiences, beliefs, needs or desires". In other words, it's about finding out who is an enemy of the state: the enemy within. For most of us, ID cards and CCTV surveillance are 'sufficient' for the state apparatus to reassure itself that we are not a serious threat. For the rest of us, there's 42 days. But the danger is in the blurring, in the eyes and state machinery of paranoid control, between legitimate, democratic antagonism towards the state, and illegitimate, physically violent hostility: terrorism. I'm an enemy of the British state, in that I'd like to see it replaced by a federal state or abolished altogether (i.e. through Scottish and English independence). And if we had a federal state, this should have much less central power, with most of the national-level decisions taken by an English parliament and a much stronger local-government sector. Does this make me 'suspect' in the eyes of the database state? Probably, yes: and therein lies its true danger. But we need to be clear that the fight is not just with 'the state' in some universal sense; but with the British state. And this is because it's primarily an English struggle, as the Scots and Welsh are pursuing their own paths towards constitutional democracy. And what will emerge, if the libertarians are successful in the present fight, will almost certainly not be a new written constitution, bill of rights and representative democracy for Britain but for England. Indeed, it's fundamentally because the people of England have lost their faith in the legitimacy of the British state to govern them that the government is so concerned to manage and orchestrate their British identity in the first place. And it is to popular English national sentiment, and to the sense of our traditional English liberties, that the libertarian cause will have to appeal if it is to touch the hearts and minds of the Sun-reading class. David, aka Britology Watch I have spent a good many hours reading the bones of this argument and I think I have the measure of the problem. I do agree that Westminster and Whitehall have had their day and it is time for a different approach to the Governance of our Country. For me, the straw that broke the back of this camel was our Sovereignty being handed to Brussels along with much of our Gold. Or in this case, Treasure. Political Parties can no longer be trusted to serve the interests of the Sovereign People of this Country and the only way for the Electorate to achieve an honest outcome in this situation is for the Taxpayer to take control of Taxation. It is a simple manoeuvre to change the system, there is no law that states you must work and be paid in this fashion or that fashion, So it is just a choice of location and Bank that decides where and how you are paid. Moving your income beyond the Jurisdiction of the Government is not a problem. It is not my intention that Taxation should not be paid. Just that Taxation should be paid to your Parish, Town, District and County Council. In itself, that would prove illegal. So it is down to the Taxpayer to ask the local Council's to receive the money as collected by the Taxpayers of that County. It is then only a matter of establishing an order for the payment to be made. If these payments are made County by County, and if the Welfare State is brought under County control, and not open to all-comers, Taxation could be reduced to 20% per cent and in time, reduced again to 10%per cent. Already the Boundary Committee has been having another go at changing the East Coast here and want to flood 25 Sq. Miles of the County. Flooding at least six villages at least. Support Westminster and that bunch of wasters at London?? Me, I would bulldoze the Bloody lot of them and really have a "Pool of London". Regards, ATFlynn "Norfolk's Mutineer" David, that is very well written, I look forward to seeing if anyone steps up to disagree with it. "What do we do now?" Here's what: Charter88 set up an official register of non-voters / conscientious objectors to the Party control of the democratic process. Your piece notes the ploy of Parties to drive voters off the register to help them hang on to power despite increasing unpopularity. C88 should turn this into a positive tool to build up measurable and clear opposition to the whole antidemocratic electoral and gonvernmental system. C88 should stop messing about with trying to coerce the Parties into changing the very system which keeps them in power with their snouts in the gravy trough, and take steps to get them out of power altogether. With such a register of dissent, the constant complaints of Party hacks, that the public is politically apathetic will be shown to be false, and those that have not had anywhere to voice their frustrations and put them to positive use, will, in effect, be given a genuine opportunity to register a real vote against the status quo. A large and steadily increasing membership on such a register would be increasingly difficult for the Parties to ignore. With such a dissenters' register, cross checking at electoral times would also help to reduce the opportunities for personation and vote stealing. With the public dissatisfaction with the current antidemocratic system thus clearly demonstrated, the next step is to move to a real democratic system, which ought to include: Real representation of communities by properly elected members of those communities. This would entail the banning of members of political parties from holding office, and measures to prevent the remonopolisation of the political process by similar narrow interest groups in the future. Political parties should be relegated to the lobby where they belong, and where they would actually represent a much smaller group of people than many existing lobby groups. All members of Parliament to have equal voting weight, with the order of the day alone set by a form of the Speaker's Office - on receipt of questions/motions from the members - rather than any party executive with an army of antidemocratic enforcer whips to ensure it gets its way. Any attempts at establishing similar vote rigging or deal making customs, or by the Speaker to begin to take executive power similar to that of a PM, to be strictly guarded against by a powerful ombudsman's office. While the Parties have divine rights to do whatever they like, and constantly put two fingers up to the electorate; and while the media perpetuates the status quo by constantly sniping at any sign of the 'disunity' that might actually indicate the break out of real democracy, it is pointless for Anthony Barnett or anyone else to write wordy pieces listing and decrying their many shortcomings. After many years of such campaigning, it should by now be abundantly clear that the Parties are not going to quit the gravy train, by any sudden awakening of conscience, and they are not going to allow any legal avenue to undermine them: they are impervious to criticism and so have to be hounded out of office and the door slammed behind them! Until that day: I don't see much hope for future generations in this increasingly overcrowded, unsustainable and unliveable Party Dictatorship. S In some of the discussion threads people are saying progressives cannot "allow" David Davis to walk away with the flag of liberty or the ‘issue". Some progression that is ah? Cannot allow? Sounds like it's the so-called progressive's way or no way. Sounds just like the nazis or commies to me. Progressive my butt! Dear Anthony Barnett, One of the many reasons why the executive is able to control parliament is because of the way parliament takes decisions. I refer not only to the party whip which you mentioned, but also to the most inaccurate measure of collective opinion ever invented, the win-or-lose, two-option, majority vote. Majority rule is fine; (consensus rule would be even better); but majority rule should not be implemented by majority vote. This is because a majority vote cannot identify a majority opinion; it may ratify one; but it cannot identify one. A majority vote identifies, not the will of parliament, not even the will of a majority of parliament, but the will of whoever wrote the question - the executive. (Which is why majority voting has been the chosen instrument of so many dictators: Napoleon, Lenin, Mussolini, Hitler, Duvalier, Pinochet, Mugabe and Milosevic, to name but a few.) Poll tax was a five-option debate. Yet they only voted on poll tax versus status quo, (and with a whip). Detention powers is another multi-option debate: 2, 7, 14, 28, 42 and 90 days have been mentioned. OK, have a multi-option debate, let the MPs express their preferences, in a free vote of course, and then at least we would know what they think! In a nutshell, let us campaign for the introduction of (electronic) multi-option preference voting in parliament (and, when appropriate, multi-option preference voting in referendums - Lisbon Treaty etc.); and later, we can replace majority rule by consensus rule... which is what we need if we are ever going to be able to tackle the other serious problems of this world, like global warming. Yours sincerely, Peter Emerson Director, The de Borda Institute Post new comment |
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Wed, 2008-07-02 00:02PS: I have a VERY SHORT version of this, saying liberty is originality, over on CiF